You wouldn’t go to your dentist about a broken leg. So why hound your county commissioners about national security policy?
Local activists twice have addressed Coos County’s commissioners in recent weeks, demanding they take a stand against the National Defense Authorization Act. Though county officials obviously have no authority over federal law, these folk want Coos County to record a roar of futility, much like the infamous “nuclear free zone” in Berkeley, Calif.
The commissioners should resist the pressure.
Undeniably, the NDAA is a nasty piece of legislative mischief. It gives current and future presidents unprecedented power to imprison alleged enemies of the country — indefinitely, and without trials or even criminal charges.
The law is every bit as worrisome as the Obama administration’s recently revealed use of broad electronic surveillance. The past decade’s dramatic expansion of federal authority should trouble everyone.
But it’s not a county issue. Our commissioners have more than enough problems of their own, including the worsening erosion of county revenue. They have no legitimate role in national security policy.
The commissioners also need to be careful about lending their official credibility to organizations with dubious pedigrees. One of the two groups pressing for county action, the Oath Keepers, is a thinly repackaged revival of ultra-right radicalism. It springs from the same network of discontent that gave us the Posse Comitatus, the survivalists and the militia movement. The other group, People Against NDAA (PANDA for short), is an unlikely combination of political bedfellows, stretching from the Occupy movement to the tea party and beyond.
As individuals, our commissioners may feel moved to stand with these and other Americans in lobbying Congress to repeal the NDAA’s worst elements. That’s fine. Officially, however, they’ll serve taxpayers best by focusing on county business.
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Anyone who does not fight the NDAA is part of the problem and supporting Marxism/Communism. When something nullifies the Bill of Rights and your government reps are not fighting it, it's time for all of us to start to stand against it. If we do not fight back now, we risk becoming a Communist nation like Cuba, Russia, North Korea or China. All these countries have a Constitution. What makes America different is the Bill of Rights. Not fighting the NDAA is conceding to Communism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act
To the writer of this article: You are wrong, government in this free land works from the bottom up, not the top down - if it worked from the top down we would be living in either a monarchy or a dictatorship. This country was founded on WE THE PEOPLE. To say that the individual counties have no right to dictate these things is totally false and irresponsible. To say such a thing indicates that you do not understand America and therefore is unable to speak on our behalf.
Each and every community in this great country of ours needs to wake up to the fact that the responsibility for a free society starts at the individual level. That is You and me. If we do not get involved in the battle to protect the rights given us in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they will disappear. Our county commissioners and local sheriffs must be held accountable to protect these rights that they swore to uphold in their oaths of office. Join PANDA and the Oath Keepers , Get busy!
The implementation of NDAA proofs in itself the bad intentions of your Government.Why denie due process when law,moral or justice is on your side? Your are selling your and your childrens liberty by defending this unjust ... law.We in GER don´t have a constitution like yours and it impossible 4 me 2 understand how anyone could possibly appreciate being put in a situation like that. What´ll you say when they -accidently- come for you? Who 2 convince and how that they are wrong?Good luck, america!
Okay, this is for the writer of the meeting of the Coos County Commissioners ....
The secret is, that those very people are the ones that are backing the dreaded NDAA!!
So what is your advice now? Where should " We the people" take such a diabolical Bill such as the NDAA??? Even you do not get it! Do you think that you will escape such a Bill? How about your family? This responsibility is EVERY AMERICANS JOB to see that the Gov. does not vanquish our God given rights.! Be quiet & listen. Shhhhh
So who is the writer of this paper? May I suggest perhaps whomever it was, to take
"politics 101". I haven't even been in to politics myself till the last couple of years, and I know more than this wanna be...Indeed you believe that this is not the County Commissioners job to take on this dreaded NDAA? Who should be taking it on? Washington? The current Administration? Congress? The Supreme Court? Let me let you in on a little secret.....ready? Are you sure? Read my next post!
intgelligence must prevail or we will lose this nation to the liberl mindset
News Papers who try to silence critical thought should mind their own buisness. But alas they try to remove responsible activisim to maintain the liberal mindset which has crept into thie minds of this nations people. A clear sign that NDAA is not understood by all people. section 103 is the removal of people by anymeans. you have 2 Commissioners who covet money more than those who vote for them. Agenda 21 _Sustainable development. Helelian Dialecticis more the definition http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
At what level do we decide to stand for what is right? Should our personal beliefs be different from our "official" beliefs? Do we have the testicular fortitude to make a stand against what is obviously wrong? We must all answer these questions of ourselves if we have honor and are still able to view our own reflection in the mirror without shame.
With the NDAA, these measures can be enacted in a National emergency. All that's missing is said emergency. How hard is it to create one? Think.
It is so like an ultra-radical left O'zombie to resort to name calling when the facts do not fit the Left's fallacious narrative. Really? Calling Oath Keepers an anarchist (ultra-right radical) group is a bald faced lie!!! The reason I joined Oath Keepers is that they are right of center like the vast majority of Americans. We specifically forbid members from taking the law into their own hands (anarchists). Our groups methods are stated as "working with and within the bounds of the rule of law"
As a photot and broadcast journalist in the business for 14 years, I respect your article is an editorial. The problem is you have to make that clear to your audience. Now let me address what's wrong with it. Your article makes a false claim that the Coos County Comission can not over rule Federal Act. In fact the opposite is true. The Constitution of The United States of America was written to protect the rights of ibdiviuals and their communities and empowers the People over government...
I think the author should read the Constitution, the Oregon Legislative Oath, and look up Marbury v Madison, New York v United States and Printz v United States. The county sheriff is the supreme law enforcement officer within a county and has the authority to tell the feds to take a hike. Although a vote by the county commission would be symbolic at best, it is still a statement that can and should be made. But then again, the commissioners probably are worried about losing DHS grant money.
Are you people for real? I am bi-sexual, my spiritual practice is as a Kapalika Aghori (the antithesis of all patriarchal religions), I support Gay Rights, public nudity and run a website called "The Naked Shaman". That said, I am also a member of Oathkeepers, believe in upholding and defending the US Constitution, and don't want anyone messing with my religious liberties, or any other liberties either. Seriously people, the NDAA tramples every Constitutional right there is. Think about it.
Why should the county get involved? Because, as the federal government overreaches its Constitutional bounds - farther and farther every day - our best way to protect our rights is at the State and Local levels. Without such efforts, this expanding overreach will result in violence. The only way to avoid the violence is to do everything we can to protect our rights via the means still available to us.
Any law passed by the Federal Government that is not authorized by the Constitution, is NO LAW AT ALL. I think the 2 opposing commissioners should watch the 8 Constitution videos on Michael Badnarik's web-site. Great education for all.
The mysterious writer of this article fails to understand that the primary purpose of local government is the health and safety of it's citizens. And when an abusive federal government proves itself to be actively working unjustly against its citizens, there is much we can do. Take a look at: www.defendruralamerica.com
In Mexifornia, the state has become much like the federal govt. So in Fresno County, we're working locally. The sheriff is the ultimate enforcer of law in the county.
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
--John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776-
Nullify the NDAA! The idea that American citizens can be disappeared without charges, warrants for searches, attorneys, trials or verdicts is appalling. This is tyranny and has to be fought at the local and State level. Long live the Resistance and thanks to Oath Keepers for working with PANDA in Coos County, Oregon to wage war on tyranny.
you are so wrong, it is in the best interest of anyone across this vast Country to stand up against this!!!! It is vital to the American people, that we have the support of our councils, our congressmen and anyone else close to government! If Coos County would fight the fight with their constituents, it is only going to help all of us! Watch testimony, your problems may very well stem from our Government! The IRS is miss using the tax payers money. So stand together! All my best from CT.!
It is everyones job to stand against those seeking to take our liberty...who ever wrote the article is a hack and does not understand the preservation of our Constitution. People like this never will. Patriots the time is coming to remove the scum from our Country. Prepare. You will hear the call...then act.
NDAA, sections 1021 & 1022 are unconstitutional.
Think kidnapping by the Feds without due process would never happen? Think again and think back to the rounding up of US citizens of Japanese descent during WWII. Here is a letter from Soji Kashiwagi to Obama protesting the signing of the NDAA: http://blog.manzanarcommittee.org/2012/01/24/open-letter-to-president-obama-protesting-the-signing-of-the-national-defense-authorization-act/
This should be an easy no-brainer for the county, sign it.
The sad truth is that, these 2 Commissioners supporting the NDAA are NOT working for The People of Coos County, nor are they working for the State of Oregon. They are essence, Federal agents, delivering a Federal agenda to Coos County.
If [they] won't change their minds and do the RIGHT think for their neighbors & family-members, they must be removed from their positions as Commissioners as soon as is humanly possible.
Having grown up in California before entering the United State Military. Having grown up when Schools were teaching history and instilling Patriotism in the up and coming American Citizens. Having sat and listened to the stories from my grandparents about the stories of our Family and the Defense of our Nation from its founding to the present day, and yes me and my generation stood proudly and recited our OATH of Enlistment. We swore to uphold and defend our Constitution. Why don't you?
In my meager opinion those who do not stand up, defend and protect the Unites States of America Constitution per their OATH is committing the crime of treason and are traitors to the Unites States of America and the American citizen and should be held legally responsible for and punished for their crime.
This includes those in control of this country by way of corrupt government officials trying to deteriorate and erode American citizens freedoms and rights.
Government is overstepping power
It's apparent in reading the comments in this article (and this forum), that hard leftists now view the Constitution and Bill of Rights as impediments to their goals.
The feds are actively stomping on 9 out of the ten articles of the Bill of Rights (everything except the defunct 3rd amendment), and apparently some are cheering this as "progress".
It's also apparent that those who voice their support for the Constitution and Bill of Rights are being labeled as "right wing extremists". Scary.
The articles of the constitution give VERY limited, and clearly defined powers to the federal government. The founders 'capped' the constitution with the tenth amendment, which is the "mind your own business" clause. It says that the feds have NO RIGHT to meddle in ANYTHING that is not specifically mentioned in the articles, and that the individual states and the people retain those powers. The feds are CLEARLY usurping powers that are NOT theirs to wield. At what point do we say, "STOP"?
When are the elected "representatives" going to actually represent the people?
Few do and then only in the case where it supports their private agenda. What about basic god given rights? The right to eat and the right to drink water? The right to survive. The government is a group of ELECTED individuals they do not own the rain, they do not own the natural resources under our feet. The OIL that is pumped by the Elite belongs to all of us.
Wake up America!
When you knock Oathkeepers....remember it as you walk through a National Cemetary...they all kept their Oath to the Constitution giving you the freedom to print your editorials. Oath Keepers is one of the organizations that have the honor of reminding people that took that Oath...just what the Oath means. Do some research before you knock an organization that you seem to know so little about.or try serving your country and see what defending freedom is about before you knock the "Oath Keepers"
Patriotism isn't about being loyal to your government, it means being loyal to the principles of freedom and liberty, even if the enemy IS your government.
While I might agree with the Editor's take on Federal vs. local government's endorsement of such a request by the citizens, I do not agree with and never will of the blanket assertion of "dubious" nature of either organization. I am an OathKeeper and I want my local government to ensure that Local authorities abide by the Constitution!
Many of us have taken the Oath in service to our country. We took it serious and are willing to lay our life on the line for it. Our freedom and our Constitution are what this country is about but we have serious probelms with people in Washington that would tell you they will make your secure but may have to take a "little" of your freedom. The Oath may not mean anything to them...but its sacred to me and many others. Our freedom and our Constitution is non negoatible. Stand for Freedom!!
This is why I've been flying my American flag upside down since øvømit took over - our once-great nation IS in distress. This punk is trying to kill my country; he's doing a great job of turning the USA into the USSA, a third world banana republic, a dictatorship run by thugs. ~ Oathkeeper.
The author of article should be ashamed. It is our responsibility as Americans to speak out when our government needs dose of reality. Is this person even paying attention to the state of political affairs in the USA? Our country has been hijacked by corpotate interest and greed. Telling Coos county to mind its own business is exactly what a fascist would say. PAND and the Oath Keepers are not at all what was decsribed in this articleThe want to preserve american rights
this is a great thing that is being done to stop the NDAA it is incredibly Unconstitutional and violates so many of our Constitutional rights and the Bill of rights we are American's Don't Tread on Us!!!!!
"Oath Keepers, is a thinly repackaged revival of ultra-right radicalism. It springs from the same network of discontent that gave us the Posse Comitatus, the survivalists and the militia movement. The other group, People Against NDAA (PANDA for short), is an unlikely combination of political bedfellows, stretching from the Occupy movement to the tea party and beyond."
Pure stupidity by the editor of this rag.... I say stupidity because ignorance can be fixed.
County should "mind its own business"....well, indeed, and just what is the "business" of the county? Is safeguarding the well-being and safety of your own citizens no longer considered the "business" of county bureaucrats? ...or did they take their oaths of office with their fingers crossed behind their backs as seems to be the rage in the scatosphere of politics in this country now? I think I would exhume those oaths in the case of these two commishes and forcefully shove their faces in them
Seriously Folks, the commisioners turning their heads have broken their own oath of office. They should be removed simply for not campaining against NDAA. They Swore out of their mouths, under oath, to defend and uphold the United States Constitution. They said it, they promised,they swore. Are they defending and upholding the constitution by looking the other way? NO.
The degree of naivete must stop in this country. Americans must raise their voices against laws made to control our freedoms.Articles like this one, show cowardice. Evil persist when good men do nothing. The commissioners have better things to do?. Maybe, however what do they think about ex-felons from the Weathermen underground that now have professorships at Columbia University. Far away right? The Jews in Germany denied that Hitler and his spread the wealth gang had no ill intentions either.
This is a frightening piece of legislation, what the author of the article calls a 'nasty piece of legislative mischief'. Mischief is intentional wrongdoing, and the author said this is nasty mischief. It allows people to be abducted by the government and imprisoned without a trial, maybe just because people like you and me disagree with the NDAA and express their opinions against it. This isn't a county issue, it's an EVERYBODY issue. Everyone, including county Commissioners should oppose it.
I sometimes wonder what type of "infection" besets the mind of an elected official when they take office (and the OATH of office) to REPRESENT US. Did the Commissioners merely stumble through it, not actually feeling a need or sense of urgency to honestly and truthfully represent us? And that representation is all about "upholding the Constitutional Laws" we live by.Also, ask yourself this. Why is Oregon taking a backseat to other states? They always seem to dovetail, rather than lead the pack!
Nut jobs abound, and these comments prove it. The Commissioners need not worry about anyone from the federal government "getting us" when we have so many local wing nuts.
These two execrable county commishes who seem to feel it is beneath their dignity to stand strong for the Constitutional rights of the citizens of the county should not only get out but get the damned Hell out of office---i mean NOW, Impeachment isn't just for counterfeit presidents---it can be used to fumigate our lives of dirt bag public b'crats of any rank. If it cramps your lavish lifestyles so much to stand for the Constitution, then GET OUT...NOW. And don't catch your tails in the door.
Can't agree more. This sure flushed out the chumps. A community full of whackadoodles is far scarier than Obama's jack-booted thugs. By the way, the government is going to be running a drone program out of Tillimook, so y'all can start freaking out about that next.
Give me a break! I'm tired of the media helping to dictate our rights away. Yes NDAA is a bad thing, but NO, don't do anything at the local/county level to stop it? I remember when the media worked for citizens and helped to keep the government in check. "Don't try and resist tyranny at your local level, instead just embrace it" No money in it, I guess. It's stuff like this that makes me want to drink! Nullify the NDAA, city, county, state and nationally. Give us back our Constitution!
First of all I am an American mom, and have been a member of the www.oathkeepers.org since 2009! I took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Why our representatives think that they can call me names and then violate their oath of office is beyond me! The NDAA is NOT Constitutional and I think every American Patriot who loves this nation and our blessed Constitution should stand united against this Act and anyone who voted for it. God Bless!
If counties have no authority over federal agents, then the United States of America does not have a government by and for the people. It has a government that is by and for the bureaucrats, by and for the politicians, by and for they lobbyists, and by and for the international corporations. Government that is by and for the people is just as radical of an idea today as it was in 1776, and it is not going to become any less radical. The U.S.A. was founded on radical ideals. Get used to it.
Where did you go to school? Power in Government actually starts with the citizen and climbs the ladder up to the Federal Government, of course county government have all jurisdiction over their county. Maybe you guys don't need protection against unconstitutional laws, in which case I bet you change your tune after it is too late. Either way if one swears an oath to uphold our Constitution and does not, this qualifies as an act of treason, and your County Officials should be charged as such.
Open statement to PANDA (People Against the NDAA) from Senator Jeff Merkley.
'Thank you for your advocacy in fighting for our constitutional and civil liberties. A constituent contacted me sharing your efforts to make Oregonians aware of the indefinite detainee provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).' -U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
We should be giving our thanks to these groups like Oath Keepers and PANDA. We should be following the example of our Senator.
All county citizens are encouraged to attend a free Town Hall Meeting and NDAA slide presentation on July 15th at the North Bend Library at 6:00 PM at 1800 Sherman Ave. 541-756-0400. The next morning, the commissioners will vote on the NDAA resolution.
READ THIS: http://mgx.com/blogs/2013/06/11/just-exactly-who-decides-what-is-county-business/
All federal and state judicial, legislative and executive officers are required to take an oath to "support" the U.S. Constitution. This oath established an affirmative, active and personal duty on the part of the oath taker to not only refrain from violating the Constitution but requires them to actively and affirmative defend the constitution i.e., from others who are attempting to violate such. This NDAA resolution will be a good test for our local commissioners. It's their Job!
There is more discussion on the NDAA where you can write more than 500 characters, located at http://mgx.com/blogs/2013/06/11/just-exactly-who-decides-what-is-county-business/#comment-28881
Please read the article written by Mr. Richard Fry, Constitutional scholar and attorney. Regardless what we "think" is county business is irrelevant. This is an American liberties issue and the commissioners ARE REQUIRED to reject the unconstitutional NDAA. Mr. Main understands this and will honor his oath.
Re the "Nuclear Free Zone" comment in this editorial: Are you aware that Coos county voted to have exactly that status over 20 years ago, and to the best of my knowledge has not changed it since then?
WOW. This article is not only brainless libel calling Oathkeepers, PANDA, & others who share the same concerns for preservation of liberty as "organizations with dubious pedigrees", but it is as equally spineless, withholding the author from receiving his proper credit. Those who don't stand by their work or their words have no business accusing others (especially those who stand for something this very country was funded on) as "dubious". Who wrote & paid fort his non-journalistic editorial?
The Feds are going to target Coos County residents with armed drones. The Feds have arrested people for opinions they express on social network websites. The Feds have even arrested a 3 year. Incredible claims. Got any proof? Any names? ANY details? With all of this amazing technology in gathering intel, It doesn't seem to have stopped the Boston Bombers. I wonder how many Federal employees it takes to read every E-mail and comment made by some 300 million or so Americans daily? Really?
It is quite naive to believe that technology does not allow for the mass surveillance of all 'net and telephone communications. Recent NSA datacenter expansions in Utah and Maryland could indicate that maybe a Federal employee doesn't need to read and record each piece of your email or every web query: it's farmed out to datacenters and insulated from oversight by delegation to 3rd party government contractors who use...wait for it...technology.
"We the People."The Ndaa is a direct violation of the U.S Constitution so it is absolutely a County issue to defend the Constitution. For we ARE the people and if we do not defend the Constitution who will? The Federal Government? It shows great courage for the County Commissioners who stand up to protect the U.S Constitution! "We The People," support you County Commissioners!
Maybe these folks can get the SPCA and the FFA to pass a motion as well. Why not? They have about as much sway and responsibility to this as anyone else. Didn't we just go through this with the Bandon Marsh issue? The Commissioners have a job to do and they should ALL stick with it. If you have issues with the State or Feds, talk to your Representatives and Senators. Asking the Commissioners to chase their tails and push string uphill is a waste of their time and taxpayer dollars.
Problem is Representatives and Senators don't care or listen. It's time to go about it another way.
All county citizens are encouraged to attend a free Town Hall Meeting and NDAA slide presentation on July 15th at the North Bend Library at 6:00 PM at 1800 Sherman Ave. 541-756-0400. The next morning, the commissioners will vote on the NDAA resolution.
Your voices are extremely important. If making public comment which is strongly encouraged, you must sign in before 9:30 AM at the Owen Building located at 2nd & Adams in Coquille. Help to save our Bill of Rights that so many died protecting.
This certainly qualifies as one of the dumbest things I've heard the newspaper say. Media has a social responsibility to shed light on that which would undermine our democracy and the Constitution. To suggest that all politics does not start locally, and infer that our county officials should stay out of the fray, is ignorant and short-sighted.
" The other group, People Against NDAA (PANDA for short), is an unlikely combination of political bedfellows, stretching from the Occupy movement to the tea party and beyond." Did anybody see how well dressed these guys were. One was a History teacher and that other one that young women just graduated from college with a medical degree. Watch video here http://coosmediacenter.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=ced88f03d09fbdb3a763ab80d8c1b8be
The NDAA is absolutely a county issue. I want to sincerely thank our county commissioners and local government officials who take the time and energy to stand with the People in our fight against tyranny. As busy as they already are, to use the position of county commissioner to support the People brings incredible hope for peace and freedom. Unconsitutional law is always a county issue. Those at local government are heros and are the power houses in fighting for freedom. Thank you.
I think the Oathkeepers is a domestic terrorist group and should be investigated by the IRS!!
Justaguy. Oath Keepers is a non profit organization of current and retired law enforcement, military, firefighters, EMS and associate members who swore to uphold our oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
You are no better than the IRS thugs who targets those who oppose them. That's not freedom. That's unacceptable despotism that you obviously support. We do not support nor condone terrorism. Enjoy your own audit. Just an Oath Keeper.
I think YOU are a domestic terrorist. Your kind of mentality endangers us all, Calling everyday Americans who take their oath to defend the Constitution (an oath given to them by THIS COUNTRY), a terrorist group, is the very thing that threatens the same Constitution that gives you the right to say those very stupid and extremely dangerous things. Where is the logic and sanity in your thinking?
I don't know about the other commissioners, but Bob Main is a spineless wonder. I hope the others will step up to the plate.
Hey James,
Commissioner Bob Main was the first and only commissioner to support our constitutional rights. Our rights transcend government hierarchy and this is just another excuse from Cribbons and Sweet, not to uphold those rights.....
I am glad to know that Bob Maine supported our constitutional rights. My personal experience dealing with him still makes him a spineless wonder, so I guess he is a spineless wonder with moments of having a conscience. Sounds like Cribbons and Sweet wouldn't know a conscience if it hit them in the face.
The Constitution is something that is the business of every form of American government and every elected official. I support the commissioners taking action on NDAA. It is their job to support, obey, and defend the Constitution.
Maybe the "World" Newspaper should change its name to the "Local" Newspaper. This matter effects all of us, local, state and country. It absolutely IS vital that we have all parties on the ship, its takes everyone who can stand up, to fight against unconstitutional affairs forced upon us. We are people with a voice against taking away our freedom, If we can not count on our own local commissioners to listen to us and stand up for us, we have lost a local voice in our whole country.
As a retired police officer and current Coordinator for Oath Keepers, I find your article highly irresponsible and devoid of professional journalistic ethics and facts. The Posse Comitatus Act was passed on June 18,1878 with Its intent to limit the powers of the Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce State laws. Learn your history before commenting. If you are ever detained indefinitely by the NDAA, then say it's not county business. Coward writers hide their names.
The Supreme Court has consistently ruled against the People whether it’s Citizens United, Obamacare, or Monsanto. If a single county cannot even uphold it’s oath to defend the Bill of Rights then the Republic is lost.
The NDAA cuts at the very fabric holding our social contract together. If the President can have you indefinitely detained without trial or charges under a global law of war what incentive do the People have to honor their end of the social contract? Why obey any law or pay taxes? 93 Senators supported it’s signing. The Obama administration has repeatedly defended this illegal authority in the lawsuit Hedges V. Obama. There is no help coming from the Federal or state level.
Works with responsibility directly to the electorate -- This is listed #2 in the County Commissioner General Statement of Duties. County Commissioners also represent their electorate within the State.The State represents its electorate to the Federal Government. I support all Commissioner's who do stand up against NDAA and my rights as I believe it violates the Constitution thus, the US citizen (me). This is a very important issue for all US citizens including County Commissioners. Thank you.
Maybe you or I won't be indefinitely detained. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Do we want this power to exist, or not?
I don't, and, as such, I fully support the Commissioners in upholding their Oath to the Constitution, and refusing to allow this law to affect the families of Coos County.
"“You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed."
“The Constitution has elected no single tribunal. I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves."
-Thomas Jefferson, 1820 letter to Mr. Jarvis
Does "The World" believe that "We the People" must trust our lives, liberty, and family to those in Washington D.C., or the Courts?
The commissioners deserve our support for giving local people a voice about their essential American constitutional rights and freedoms. By upholding the Bill of Rights they can show the country, from here at the local level, that democracy can actually work with leaders proudly serving and protecting the people who put them in office. It starts here, with their example emboldening us for our unavoidable fight to teach that lesson to our "representatives" at the national level.
Obviously, our congressmen could care less about the Bill of Rights. It is time to take a stand at the local level. Understanding NDAA 2012
http://files.meetup.com/1275333/Understanding%20NDAA%202012%20-%20Ross.pdf
Interesting how "The World" tries to demonize the Oath Keepers. If they had paid attention at the last Coos County commissioners meeting they could have heard the testimony of one heartfelt individual 31 year old Derek Heiner -Oath Keeper and recent returning war veteran who served in the most active combat zone in Afghanistan fighting and watching his brothers die for our American freedoms that the 2012 NDAA demolish. What a Patriot. Still fighting for our freedoms. Shame on the World!
The World should mind its own business on matters it knows nothing about, such as this. The issue isn't a matter of national security policy. It is about a law that violates over 14 provisions of the Constitution, including over half of the Bill of Rights.
Local officials have a duty to uphold the Constitution under Article VI Clause 3, and protects its citizens against unconstitutional laws.
OathKeepers and PANDA merely want the Constitution upheld. Apparently, that is "extreme" to The World.
The editors of a paper that calls itself "The World" say local governments should stay out of state and national politics? How do we let representatives know people across the political spectrum want to take a stand against NDAA locally if local representatives won't vote? If they think it a waste of time, they should vote, because we are going to continue to discuss it at meetings until they do.
Please join us for a town hall on NDAA at the North Bend Library on Monday July 15th at 6 PM.
Too bad just such an editorial did not run regarding former Commissioners Griffith, Whitty & DeMain voting to sign Coos county on to 3 Federal lawsuits being pushed by Far Right groups in 2001 & 2002. The first 2 of these actions went through completely unreported at the time, and they made us the only county in Oregon ever to do so. These under the radar moves by our public officials were only discovered months later after their controversial Snow Plover amicus decision drew public attention.
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