Conservation does not mean job loss

Letter to The Editor
2012-01-26T11:00:00Z Conservation does not mean job loss Coos Bay World
January 26, 2012 11:00 am

The Jan. 16 World editorial titled, 'Marine reserves: So far, so good," is based on the mistaken idea that resource conservation equates to job loss. One important reason to establish marine reserves and/or marine protected areas is to allow big, old, fertile female fish a chance to continue their function as prime brood stock, helping commercial fish stocks, and the species that feed them, repopulate in surrounding waters. Though some local species are being fished commercially in a sustainable way, other populations are not healthy. A system of connected reserves and protected areas forms a safety net to ensure that generations of those who fish for a living, plus those who fish for fun, will always have the chance to find fish at the end of their lines or in their nets.

The World's editorial characterized those speaking in support of the concept as part of an 'anti-fishing movement," ... 'many of them imported for the occasion from the Willamette Valley...." I attended the Port Commission meeting on Jan. 11 and spoke on behalf of the local Audubon Chapter, Cape Arago Audubon Society, in favor of establishing a Cape Arago Marine Reserve or Marine Protected Area.

We are not part of any anti-fishing movement. We are local residents concerned about ocean health and the sustainable use of natural resources.

Advisory groups in neighboring counties to the north and south of us embraced a democratic process to consider establishing marine reserves and/or protected areas off their coastlines, where researchers will study the impact on ocean health. Our local advisory group worked diligently for 18 months, but was significantly hampered by the failure of port leadership to allow the presentation of relevant scientific data.

There is no clear logic in Coos County falling behind while we wait years to learn the results of data collection in reserves and protected areas of the near-shore waters off Lincoln County and Curry County. Future research will eventually conclude what other data from around the world already tells us: The concept of marine reserves and protected areas translates into a sound insurance policy to help guarantee future generations will enjoy the benefits of our ocean wealth.

Barbara L. Taylor
North Bend

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(30) Comments

  1. deceptions
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    deceptions - February 02, 2012 9:26 am

    educated men can differentiate opinion stemming from ideology and the perception of intelligence.

    Taxes, btw, have a direct impact on the economy and thus jobs. Just follow my logic: if a company makes more money they can expand operations and thus employ more people and pay a higher amount per year in total taxes despite a lower percentage of total income. Therefore, it is only logical that stimulating economic development comes from... LOWER TAXES
  2. snapguy
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    snapguy - February 02, 2012 9:11 am
    Neocons like to frame debates based on a former USA: Mayberry, Norman Rockwell, running boards, etc. They take the words of our founders out of context and use them in today's discourse, omitting the reference points: liberty, tyranny, etc. And, they simply don't get macroeconomics and the numbers which contain many zeroes. Running USA should be like balancing a checkbook? They think govt is the problem, and then elect those that prove the point. Some is a nice way to think...just not workable.
  3. GoodGrief
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    GoodGrief - February 02, 2012 8:47 am
    Conservation does mean jobs, those that deny this have their heads in the sand. I employ former fisherman and loggers in my natural resource conservation business, and they are happy to have living wages and health insurance. Oregon has a bounty of natural resources, and we should manage them wisely instead of exploit them for short-term gain. I work to leave a better future for our kids, something you people over 60 didn't do for my generation.
  4. snapguy
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    snapguy - February 01, 2012 7:40 pm
    Educated men understand that tax cuts and job creation are unrelated. Educated men understand that 8 million positions were lost as a result of republican housing, tax and war policy, but that 3 million have been regained because of current policy. Educated men understand that personal responsibility means purchasing health insurance. Further, the fact is that the tanked economy is now recovering. AND, those with actual credentials do not rely on Wikipedia for their "facts."
  5. deceptions
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    deceptions - February 01, 2012 2:50 pm
    really snap?

    I'll address the only attempt at factual comments.

    "3. our founding fathers were liberals"
    Well that is partially true. The majority were liberals, others were federalists. What you fail to realize is that liberals are now referred to as conservatives, whereas federalists became neo-liberals (or modern day liberals).

    Then again, anyone with half an education in political philosophy would understand that.
  6. snapguy
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    snapguy - February 01, 2012 1:40 pm
    Dear are some things that I think you should understand: 1. The earth is round 2. Reagan raised taxes 3. Our founding fathers were liberals 4. Jesus helped homeless and sick people 5. The federal reserve was a republican idea 6. Corporations care only about profits 7. Republicans love outsourcing US jobs -just ask Communist China 8. Conservative republicans hate ed because they couldn't cut it in school 9. Labor unions built the US 10. T parties are for little girls
  7. deceptions
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    deceptions - February 01, 2012 1:38 pm

    all you've been able to come up with is "like your opinion man."

    Your view on taxes is shortsighted. You can't see the benefits that result from potential actions such as letting the "rich", or rather business people of our nation, prosper. You claim to want job growth, but attempt to stifle its development at every turn.

    Snap, one day you and your cronies will realize that your opinion only really mattered in the '60's, man. Fortunately the world will be one less bleedingheart fewer
  8. snapguy
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    snapguy - February 01, 2012 12:52 pm
    Will do, Mega.....war monger, war monger......neocon, neocon. How's that?
  9. snapguy
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    snapguy - February 01, 2012 12:50 pm
    I see. Bleeding heart environmentalist is not a smear, but T bagger, winger is a smear. That's quite an understanding of language. Same that you have not responded to my opinion that you don't get tax, & commercial fishing. You just jump to another topic & bleat. But, you are correct that trees are a sustainable resource, however, the 35 year harvest rotation used by many companies is far short of the needed 65. I watched trees for 5 gens of timber jobs sold to Japan. Now it's China. Kapish?
  10. Megapotamus
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    Megapotamus - February 01, 2012 11:16 am
    " left out a few other important beliefs. Here: Obama is a Muslim, global warming is a hoax, rich people pay too much in taxes, corporations are people, the Lord works in mysterious ways....Spoken like a true T bagger, winger, Libertarian."

    Hmmmmm… pretty Democrat Party-ish of you.
    Can you throw in a couple of "neocons" and "war-mongers" for good measure?
  11. deceptions
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    deceptions - February 01, 2012 9:54 am
    smear smear smear, deny deny deny. Good strategy snap.

    I'll address one thing you said, the rest is hopeless.

    What you said: "the last of our trees"
    What you forgot: trees are a renewable resource

    aw snap!
  12. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 31, 2012 5:56 pm
    One last thing here Deceptive. "Bleeding heart environmentalist?" Spoken like a true T bagger, winger, Libertarian. Looks to me like you would sacrifice BP type stewardship for a 9 buck an hour job sending our last trees to China while American mill and constuction workers are struggling and the corporate communists are lining their pockets. Actually I know a lot about logging, fishing, business and stewardship...sadly you are all about ideological psycho babble. AND, you have already lost.
  13. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 31, 2012 3:23 pm
    Geez Deceptive, I'm glad you are not a CPA. Have you ever heard of the proper way to calculate the "burden" of taxes that we pay? Didn't think so....Psst!! It is based on the percentage paid as measured against income. So, when a middle class worker earns 50 K and pays 20 percent in taxes, his liability is greaten than the Romney dude who pays 15% of millions. I know, it's hard to understand, but please try.
  14. deceptions
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    deceptions - January 31, 2012 3:22 pm
    ah the mantra of the bleeding heart environmentalist.

    Look, there are sustainable ways to log forrested land which complies with environmental regulations. I'm totally fine with that, as I respect the RULE OF LAW. Its protestors sitting in trees that feel entitled to the pristine world which other people have worked to maintain that I oppose. I oppose the RULE OF MAN. Plain and simple.
  15. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 31, 2012 2:07 pm
    Just a crop, no more no less? Never mind about the animal habitat, ground water / river temp enhancer, carbon sequestration, O2 provider. Looks to me like Deceptive has posted just a CROCK, no more no less.
  16. deceptions
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    deceptions - January 31, 2012 1:43 pm
    actually snap, global warming is real; Global Warming is a business (or, as you would put it, a hoax), "rich people" pay the vast majority of income taxes in America, corporations are a legally finite entity with inalienable rights (akin to the humans which run it.

    Oh and religion and ideologies may coexist, but are entirely different ideas. Get over it.
  17. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 31, 2012 11:57 am left out a few other important beliefs. Here: Obama is a Muslim, global warming is a hoax, rich people pay too much in taxes, corporations are people, the Lord works in mysterious ways Ooops, I forgot the period.
  18. deceptions
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    deceptions - January 31, 2012 11:41 am
    if they own the rights to it, then yes they are legally deserving of the income.

    And you are right, it IS a RESOURCE. A RENEWABLE one. Its called farming, and trees need to be viewed as a crop. No more, no less.
  19. justaguy
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    justaguy - January 30, 2012 8:55 pm
    I would like to know why anyone thinks they deserve a guaranteed income from harvesting a public owned resource?
  20. Polar Bear
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    Polar Bear - January 30, 2012 4:45 pm
    Conservation/enviromentalist (treehuggers) do cost us jobs, period !
  21. recfisher
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    recfisher - January 30, 2012 9:26 am
    When I read some of these comments I have to think how selfish some of you are. Were all giving up a little for the greater good. In Oregon it is only about 6% of the territorial sea that would be protected in reserves. If you cannot find another place to fish in the other 94% then you are not much of a "fisher". Yelloweye and Canary are in our nearshore, albeit mostly as juveniles. Thats even more of a reason to protect some prime habitat as the stocks rebuild.
  22. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 30, 2012 9:16 am
    Activism and extremism swings both ways. A point is that there has always been and always will be an avenue for recovering lost revenue due to "regulation." Of course its not written into the MR rules. Had Charleston been receptive as were the others, this thing could have been settled long ago and a small, low impact area could already be in place. Rather, the choice was to fight. If history is an indicator, there will be no victory, a larger area will be mandated, and you will have lost.
  23. realitybites
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    realitybites - January 28, 2012 7:34 pm
    There is no lost fishery revenue recovery associated with Oregon marine reserves, none whatsoever. Three years ago wasn't for marine reserves, as they went into effect only 25 days ago at Redfish and Otter rocks.
    The listed website is purely activist.
    Catchable yelloweye rockfish aren't in territorial waters except at a few places out at the deep edge, those areas are closed is also closed, and yelloweye retention is forbidden everywhere.
  24. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 27, 2012 9:11 am
    Here's some info.

    Yellow eye rockfish are at 13% of historic levels / urchins were depleted in the 90's
  25. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 27, 2012 8:57 am
    There is always a course for recovering lost income caused by regulation. Such recovery happened in the 70's. And, as recently as 3 years ago, payment was made (a substantial amount to some) to those who lost. The problem is that most do not accurately document where they caught the product. AND I call them fishers because I personally have known several very successful ladies who fish. They disliked being called a "fisherman." You are guilty, reality. You do not see the big picture.
  26. realitybites
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    realitybites - January 26, 2012 6:48 pm
    There's no accommodation for compensation in Oregon MR rules and law. Where on earth did you get that? And no one who fishes calls fishermen "fishers."
    As for big old fat female fish, those are the ones sea lions prefer, too.
    The letter is all spoon-fed environmentalist pap meant to suck in the most gullible of our society. It's sad these extremist groups so shamelessly misuse ordinary citizens like the letter writer, who sadly demonstrated to everyone that she has no clue about the ocean.
  27. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 26, 2012 1:49 pm
    I forgot about an important aspect of this MR flap. If you were a Ling Cod, for ex, just how would you feel if a group of big govt scientists barged univited into your habitat, took unflattering photos such as when you were eating a smaller fish? Then, if they interrupted your special time with your mate, pulled you aboard their boat, measured, probed indiscriminately, and put a tracking tag on you, how would you feel? So, the question arises, "Would you be be a better Ling Cod after that?
  28. River Rat
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    River Rat - January 26, 2012 1:40 pm
    Why bother with a study if, as the writer claims, "the data will show that marine reserves are a good safety net"? I hope the studies include data on the local economic impacts. They would monitor that, right?.....
    Establishment of a marine reserve at Simpson Reef/Cape Arago would mean less fishing for me. That translates to fewer of my dollars going to several local businesses. The impacts of this so-called conservation extend well beyond the loss of direct commercial fishing revenue.
  29. deceptions
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    deceptions - January 26, 2012 11:54 am
    It's just misguided well intentions. The salvation of our seas lies in stoping the Japanese. They wipe out massive amounts of salmon, tuna, dolphins, sea turtles, sharks, whales etc. every year.

    A marine reserve by cape arago will do little for the ocean, but poses injunctions on an already struggling industry.
  30. snapguy
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    snapguy - January 26, 2012 11:37 am
    That's right....And, if there does happen to be a loss of income by Ling Cod fishers, or crabbers, who have traditionally worked in the area to be set aside, they would be able to file a claim and be compensated. But, it would need to be documented, and verifiable. Some very positive looking info has been put out by Ocean Frontiers....Green Fire Productions. The community of Port Orford has collaborated with "these folks" in what I think is a very intelligent way.
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