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ronnie montrose wrote on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM:
1313 - My intension was not to brag. I just wanted to make a point that the American Dream is still alive in many areas of the US along with the rest of the world. Communities need to keep working on attracting businesses and building a tax base rather than asking for handouts from the State and Federal agencies. I find it comical (not really) that one of the Coos County Commissioner’s idea of generating income is to send the Federal Government a tax bill for the O&C land (Wagon Trail). Now that is thinking outside the box – reefer madness!
1313 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM:
To "Ronnie Monstrosity" why wouldn't you use your real name if you want to brag so much. What good is the bragging if you don't tell everyone who you are?
Just wondering.
You just don't sound like someone who would "make up a name" ! ! !
Just wondering.
You just don't sound like someone who would "make up a name" ! ! !
dan milburn wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 AM:
What are the chances of an explosion and fire at the LNG facility? This gas is a very powerful explosive substance. The chances are enough that it shouldn't be allowed except in an industrial zoned area away from the population. I lived in Empire when Georgia Pacific caught fire in Bunkerhill. I lived on Camman next to Sunset Middle School. The fire was so huge that it lit up the whole eastern sky fro miles. It was catastrophic. The Bandon fire that got started in the Gorse pile burnt the entire South Coast to the ground from Bandon to Reedsport. Look at the archives. Stuff happens! New Carissa? What if that had been LNG on board? And you want to put it where? If this project goes forward I guarantee you that the legal fees to fight injunction after injunction will break the bank. Remember the Billion dollar dam project and the 2" snail darter fish that stopped it? Common people, start researching every little loophole for stopping this thing and getting rid of the folks who are pushing it.
rianza wrote on Nov 7, 2009 8:39 AM:
Uhhh...where were all you folks when the railroad was leaving tankers of acid and propane sitting on the waterfront in downtown Coos Bay?
And speaking of potential disaster, I'd like to see a serious plan for deer and elk collisions. And let's not forget the geese at the airport. And sidewalks are now slick with oil and moss, and can someone do something about our town sinking every time they dredge? And what about.....
And speaking of potential disaster, I'd like to see a serious plan for deer and elk collisions. And let's not forget the geese at the airport. And sidewalks are now slick with oil and moss, and can someone do something about our town sinking every time they dredge? And what about.....
hey its me wrote on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 PM:
The facility is going to be built on the north spit in North Bays' Fire District not in Coos Bay, yet the City of Coos Bay wants equipment, training and personnel. Whatever the City of Coos bay gets you can bet that North Bend is going to want it also, and we might as well include Charleston too. What is reasonable? Seems like everyone just has their hands out trying to get something for free at the expense of this project.
Eastsider wrote on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM:
A tank full of LNG subject to heating from a fire can burst causing what is known in firefighting as a BLEVE, short for "Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion."
How big of a BLEVE would a LNG tanker and/or storage tanks cause? Does anyone know?
How big of a BLEVE would a LNG tanker and/or storage tanks cause? Does anyone know?
Just Me wrote on Nov 6, 2009 12:29 PM:
To Whatintheworld: Well excuusse me! So sorry I am so uninformed that I didn't take the time or think about checking the tax rolls as you did! I tend to take people for their word sometime, as I did in the case of Mr. Montrose! Sorry I am just a "gullible" fool and you are so smart!
ronnie montrose wrote on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 AM:
Is that Mr. or Mrs. WHATINTHEWORLD. I could not find your name in the assessors’ data base either. I guess I do not have to send in my property tax bill this month for the sum of $6,020.75. Do you really think I would use my real name???
whatintheworld wrote on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 PM:
I am never surprised by the gullible people who read and write here. Had you spent one minute visiting the assessors web site before spending many minutes here, you would know that your friend "Ronnie Montrose" does not own property in Coos County or elsewhere where any LNG terminal is planned. And, my wife and I who will match him property for property are opposed to the insanity of local LNG.
dan milburn wrote on Nov 5, 2009 3:37 PM:
It is clearly stated above by LNG that LNG has had accidents before. Inside the blast area of 2-1/2 miles is two schools, Madison Elementry and Sunset Middle School. There is a definate possibility of an accidental or even intentional explosion.( New Carissa) (San Juau explosion last week) This fireball would kill hundreds of little kids who have no say in where they go to school or what dangers are located near them.(along with many more people) Let them figure out how to relocate these schools away from the danger area before there is an accident. Let them convince the school district that there is absolutely NO RISK whatsoever to these children. Nonsense, it can't be done. Are you telling me you can't have childmolesters, guns or drug dealers near schools but you can put an LNG facility next to them in Coos Bay, Oregon? I say somebody needs to make a list of everbody who is for this LNG facility anyway. Let the community know who their real enemies are!
nojob wrote on Nov 5, 2009 3:27 PM:
I would like an LNG terminal please.
If not, could we please just fold up our crummy little town and give it back to the indians?
If not, could we please just fold up our crummy little town and give it back to the indians?
Just Me wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:20 AM:
What does Mr. Montrose have to lose here in this SCAM anyway? He claims to be so "independently wealthy" and owns three more homes across the country, right? If, God forbid this thing blew up and us peons lost everything we owned, most of us would be left with nothing. All he would have to do is high tail it outta here and move to one of his other "homes" in another part of the country and be safe and sound!
Common Sense wrote on Nov 4, 2009 2:11 PM:
O please ronnie montrose...
You sound like Bob Braddock's right hand man (Along with EVERYselfservinMAN)...tellin stories like Bob does, that change every day to fit every self serving situation he's in....just ask FERC!!!
You sound like Bob Braddock's right hand man (Along with EVERYselfservinMAN)...tellin stories like Bob does, that change every day to fit every self serving situation he's in....just ask FERC!!!
1313 wrote on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 PM:
Ronnie Montrose, would you like to buy my home? I am affraid I cannot sell it if LNG comes in here.
CBRezident wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 AM:
I was just wondering How many companies in this area have to plan for disaster emergencies?are there anymore companies that have the potential of ruining our area?
dan milburn wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:31 PM:
I hate to throw out the "T" word here but what protection will LNG have from TERRORISM ATTACK! You know like a boat with explosives pulling up to the dock with a two-dollar timer and bag of fertalizer? How about a tracer bullet following an armor piercing round? How about Natural gas being pumped into the water supply lines and seeping in through the toilets and sinks and being ignited by a cell phone in the waste basket inside the facility? Careless smoking? Road flares dropped from planes? How do you protect something as explosive as this Substance? Why inside of our Bay? Why not Build docks out in the water away from our community? Why did everyone else turn you down?
orecoast007 wrote on Nov 3, 2009 4:24 PM:
MR.MONTROSE, Maybe they should put you as Executive Director Of SCDC.Bring on LNG since the SCDC "CAN'T" bring any jobs here... Oh wait! The elected officials would have to play well together first!!! LOL!!!
ronnie montrose wrote on Nov 3, 2009 11:39 AM:
To EVERYMAN - I am independently wealthy, and my home in North Bend is only one of the four homes I own across the country. I made my wealth in communities that put a lot of effort in attracting businesses. Something this area needs to do more of. I have never seen a more underutilized asset such as Coos Bay. Excuse the pun – but we are really missing the boat here. As far as the LNG project, I am in favor of it!
Everyone should rent the movie “Idiocracy”, and then people may realize what is happening to this community. The CAVE people know what they don’t want, but are unable to offer a rational or logical business plan to pull the area out of a death spiral.
Everyone should rent the movie “Idiocracy”, and then people may realize what is happening to this community. The CAVE people know what they don’t want, but are unable to offer a rational or logical business plan to pull the area out of a death spiral.
everyman wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM:
Yes, 1313, there are.
And what exactly are YOU going to do, Mr Montrose, to get YOURSELF out of a death spiral?
And, whatintheworld will have a lot more to worry about in all of the scenarios listed that an LNG terminal...
As far as toolongtoknowwhathteheckhessaying down there...your website is a homemade attack vehicle...make all the claims you want...you are NO expert!
LNG..get you some!!!
And what exactly are YOU going to do, Mr Montrose, to get YOURSELF out of a death spiral?
And, whatintheworld will have a lot more to worry about in all of the scenarios listed that an LNG terminal...
As far as toolongtoknowwhathteheckhessaying down there...your website is a homemade attack vehicle...make all the claims you want...you are NO expert!
LNG..get you some!!!
dan milburn wrote on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM:
If FERC doesn't require a FEMA plan prior to getting local approval of the LNG terminal then there something very wrong in the process. It needs to be addressed. You must not allow your Port Commission to move forward without it. It could be decided that you would need an advanced firefighting facility located on the North Spit with its own water and power supplies....and you would have to pay for it. Unless the Port clarifies this points immediatly and shows the community it is behaving resposibly then we will file an injunction in court halting the process until those issues and who is gonna pay for it are addressed. Let LNG prove to the court that no emergency plan is needed.
1313 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:59 PM:
And there are actually people here who want the LNG terminal ? ? ?
ronnie montrose wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:36 AM:
So Coos Bay is looking at a rate increase, but it wouldn’t be a show of support for the project. Give me a break – it is time for city leaders to be for or against this project. If they are against the LNG project, what is their solution to pull us out of this death spiral?
whatintheworld wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 AM:
Please Mr. Coos Bay city manager explain how you will fight fires on the North Spit when there is an earthquake caused catastropic event and the water pipe from Empire is ruptured? Or how will you fight the fire when there is a catastrophic event off of the Empire dock area and there is a one mile wide fire ball? Or how you will and other families use the planned Empire Hollering Point that juts into the estuary and near approaching LNG vessels. Who reimburses the city for all of the Homeland Security and other agency demanded LNG docks security. And don't believe Mr. Braddock when he says there is a law that says he must pay. There is no such law.
LNGTerminalSitingStandardsOrganization wrote on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM:
There is a major FERC "cart before the horse" flaw accompanying agreements between communities and LNG developers: Although FERC requires LNG terminal developers to devise a "cost-sharing plan," FERC does not require community Emergency Response Plans until after an LNG terminal is permitted. Communities end up making financial agreements with the project developers before anyone knows what the actual requirements will be.
Taxpayers are likely to end up paying for more than they bargained, while the developer is likely to compensate the community for less than their fair share of the actual costs.
Taxpayers are likely to end up paying for more than they bargained, while the developer is likely to compensate the community for less than their fair share of the actual costs.
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