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oliver woods wrote on Jul 11, 2009 3:41 PM:
Gee, an awful lot of "class envy" showing up here. Perhaps those of you slamming big corporations (you know, those who employ the majority of y'all) you might consider getting off your fat Coos County bumms and climbing up in the world just as the honchos of those companies have done.
Or, just wait for "O" to send you another welfare check.
Or, just wait for "O" to send you another welfare check.
Dragonman wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:11 PM:
“This area is being treated as a piggy bank,” Zimmer-Stucky said. “It’s public forest land, so it should be used by the public.” DUH!!! What are public schools? More incompetent logic from finger pointers. Go get a life!
Dragonman wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM:
Police State? Whatever man. Go smoke your bong dude. People with families are not getting to work. Have we not seen the reforestation of our land here in Oregon? I have everywhere. Did they drive there? Are they wearing clothing made in sweat shops in foreign countries? People need to figure out what they can personally do to help, and quit pointing fingers at everyone else. Protesting stink while you stink is stupid.
Carl wrote on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM:
The sad fact of the matter is that earth first is probably been more helpful to the timber industry as a foil and scapegoat. During the 1980's
the timber industry was trying to get out of leases on public lands because of a housing recession curtailing demand for wood products.
When the environmental groups were successful at shutting down logging on public lands the problem was solved.
This enabled the industry to get out from under while having someone else take the heat. Passage of NAFTA made it easier to export jobs out of Oregon.
the timber industry was trying to get out of leases on public lands because of a housing recession curtailing demand for wood products.
When the environmental groups were successful at shutting down logging on public lands the problem was solved.
This enabled the industry to get out from under while having someone else take the heat. Passage of NAFTA made it easier to export jobs out of Oregon.
Bay Area wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:27 PM:
Isn't that platform that the protester is laying on made out of 2 x 4's and plywood?
thetejun wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:50 AM:
Yes I must have been, where is the article about over fifty law enforcement officers going out there and arresting them all?
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:49 AM:
THETEJUN,
You must be reading a different article than I.
I don't see anything about a "police state" in this one.
But yeah bro, fight the power, stick it to the man, whatever.
You must be reading a different article than I.
I don't see anything about a "police state" in this one.
But yeah bro, fight the power, stick it to the man, whatever.
WWJD wrote on Jul 9, 2009 12:01 AM:
Hey educated ecoterrorist, this is second growth timber they are cutting, NOT oldgrowth. Why don't you learn some facts, and maybe use your spellcheck.
thetejun wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:28 PM:
All hail the Police State for the Corporation by the Corporation.
I don't like hippies much, but despise police state crackdowns even more.
p.s. I have lived here several years now. All my local friends have drug me all over the woods around here. Do you know how few and far between old trees are or even a grove of old trees? If you want to live in a corn field fine by me, but don't kid yourself and say it is a forest. No they are clear cuts replanted with genetically modified trees. Forests are different. Just as the open grass prairie is different than a corn field.
I don't like hippies much, but despise police state crackdowns even more.
p.s. I have lived here several years now. All my local friends have drug me all over the woods around here. Do you know how few and far between old trees are or even a grove of old trees? If you want to live in a corn field fine by me, but don't kid yourself and say it is a forest. No they are clear cuts replanted with genetically modified trees. Forests are different. Just as the open grass prairie is different than a corn field.
marlee wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:48 PM:
Question..how many of you eco-terrorists have every really been inside of the oregon forests? I challenge you to go into the forests and see just what happens when logging occurs. YOu really have know idea. It is a process that has been perfected over the years that benefit the land and the creatures that inhabit it. I wonder, are you even aware of how the loggers have to maintain habitats and waterways...? I don't really think so, it is easier to sit on your soapbox....
marlee wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:36 PM:
Educated Economist: YOu should really check your facts before yous start to spout untrue facts! If you check both locally and federally you will see that there is protected old growth! However having said that, and having lived in the northwest for all of my life, I have seen many forest destroyed by fire and natural disaster. Forest management and Logging has reduced fire and natural disasters from destroying even more of our beautiful state.
TruthTeller wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:46 PM:
To Kay, well hello Coos County Resident. It was easy for me to tell where you are from. I bet you are well off too.
Kay wrote on Jul 8, 2009 2:12 PM:
Educated, thank you so much for your thoughtful posts.
As you can see, the masses in Coos Co don't want facts, they just want to continue thinking it's 1910.
Ignorance abounds.
The rich have ALWAYS taken advantage of the ignorance of their people.
As you can see, the masses in Coos Co don't want facts, they just want to continue thinking it's 1910.
Ignorance abounds.
The rich have ALWAYS taken advantage of the ignorance of their people.
Kay wrote on Jul 8, 2009 2:09 PM:
scc wrote on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 AM:
Dear irritatingeconomist,
Blah blah blah blah. Climb back in your hole.
scc says: I don't want facts, I just wanna hate and remain clueless.
Dear irritatingeconomist,
Blah blah blah blah. Climb back in your hole.
scc says: I don't want facts, I just wanna hate and remain clueless.
hiluix wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:56 PM:
With all the money these hippies save on shaving supplies soap and personal hygiene products , why didn't they bid on the timber and not cut it down .
scc wrote on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 AM:
Dear irritatingeconomist,
Blah blah blah blah. Climb back in your hole.
Blah blah blah blah. Climb back in your hole.
TruthTeller wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:31 AM:
To Educatedeconimist. You are an idiot. My Dad was a Logger for 40 plus years and that's how he raised his 8 children. He is intelligent and cares more about the land then probably even you. I'd love to see you go toe to toe with him, then you could call yourself "Educated".
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:21 AM:
I know many loggers that are smart but do not relize that there is a story where we both win. Log the smaller trees that are used for paper and lumber. The old growth when cut goes to rich elite who want fancy lumber. Cut the millions of acres of farm you have already converted, leave the remenants of Oregon Rainforest for others to enjoy. This is why we have Public Land.
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:20 AM:
You say that trees are renewable? Where have you seen and 800 year old second growth tree? You will never because once the true forest is cut they turn it into a farm that they will again cut in 40 years. Once cut it will never be a forest again. There is so little true forest left all we want it to save a bit of ancient forest magic for our children. Even if we cut it now and left it alone to grow back, 12 generations of children are deprived that beauty.
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 8, 2009 10:19 AM:
In todays society money is the only real influence over government. We can vote as much as we want, but nothing influences policy like good old money, and the companies that have the least morals get the most money. The super rich use their power and money to get more power and money. Then they use it to convince an entire community that letting them do whatever they want is the only way to raise their family. Don't buy into it anymore. Communities all over the world operate without logging revenues. There are other ways to make an economy thrive. Money is like manuer, you have to spread it around to make it do any good. Tax profits and enforce responsible logging practices to create a sustainable life for your family.
MindTwisted wrote on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 AM:
Some people throw around the word "terrorist" quite a bit don't they? It's a complete misuse of the word and reeks of ignorance. Expand your vocabularies if you want to debate with the grownups, okay?
I throw these logging protesters in the same bag of nuts as the tea baggers; they're nothing more than an insignificant portion of the lunatic fringe...attention deprived children aspiring in life to be nothing more than noticed.
I throw these logging protesters in the same bag of nuts as the tea baggers; they're nothing more than an insignificant portion of the lunatic fringe...attention deprived children aspiring in life to be nothing more than noticed.
Just Me wrote on Jul 8, 2009 8:25 AM:
Educatedeconomist and all your Buddies: It appears to me that all of you are all career students, all you do is sit around in your "green little classrooms" and think about who and what you are gonna **** with next! You preach from your pulpit about "get an education, not a logging job". This tree sale is on school property the moneys generated from this sale is going to go to our schools! IF you are from this area, which I doubt you are, you would know what a state are schools are in. Without this sale our kids get a minimal education at best. So, therefore your statement "get an education" isn't gonna happen with these stupid and idiotic things you people are doing! Get a life, stay out of ours, go home and go see who else you can mess with! One other question, when you are getting your education, what is your desk and paper and pencils made of? Please answer that one for me!
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jul 8, 2009 7:31 AM:
You know, if I were to pick any local business, put up a blockade on the sidewalk in front of their door, and refuse to let anybody through, the cops would show up and arrest me for criminal trespassing.
Whats the hold up here?
Kay, why don't you put on your bandana and go join them? Maybe after this you could go torch a car dealer or two.
Whats the hold up here?
Kay, why don't you put on your bandana and go join them? Maybe after this you could go torch a car dealer or two.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jul 7, 2009 9:34 PM:
Spoken like a true whacko eco-terrorist.
Which phony name do you use to hide from the cops?
Which phony name do you use to hide from the cops?
steelerfan wrote on Jul 7, 2009 9:17 PM:
If they truely want to stop this they could have bid for the timber and not cut it.
educated logger wrote on Jul 7, 2009 8:46 PM:
These terrorists are breaking the law, pure and simple. If joe public tore up that road like that, they would be arrested & charged restitution to restore it. The cops need to do their jobs or let the loggers start that D10, then see them move.
Just An Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2009 7:52 PM:
I am curious as to the legalities that impede the arrest of the protesters? I would have thought they would have been arrested for some sort of breach of peace charge.
Logging policies need oversight by all concerned. That is where to put the energies into by government, business and environmental groups. Blocking a legal sale isn't a good idea from a PR standpoint. I would be all for Earth First to oversee, take pictures/movies and write up any needed reports to the appropriate agencies if the company improperly logs. Bad practices have been done in the past, with a fatal slide on 38 being the episode that sticks in my mind the most.
Logging policies need oversight by all concerned. That is where to put the energies into by government, business and environmental groups. Blocking a legal sale isn't a good idea from a PR standpoint. I would be all for Earth First to oversee, take pictures/movies and write up any needed reports to the appropriate agencies if the company improperly logs. Bad practices have been done in the past, with a fatal slide on 38 being the episode that sticks in my mind the most.
Buttercup wrote on Jul 7, 2009 6:54 PM:
Educated Economist: Get off your soap box and go spend some time with logging families. I happen to be married to one and they are very intelligent and caring people! While their are a few inconsiderate loggers, most are dedicated to proper forest management. After all, their livelihood depends on it.
renewable energy
–noun
any naturally occurring, theoretically inexhaustible source of energy that is not derived from fossil or nuclear fuel.
EXAMPLE: TIMBER!
renewable energy
–noun
any naturally occurring, theoretically inexhaustible source of energy that is not derived from fossil or nuclear fuel.
EXAMPLE: TIMBER!
barack obama wrote on Jul 7, 2009 5:43 PM:
"educatedeconomist" You are clearly not educated. You are a moron.
Kay wrote on Jul 7, 2009 5:42 PM:
One more thing about those enviros?
They were arrested in Washington state trying to stop shipments of raw logs to Asian ports.
They were trying to save your dam mill jobs.
Where were you guys?
Didn't bother did ya?
They were arrested in Washington state trying to stop shipments of raw logs to Asian ports.
They were trying to save your dam mill jobs.
Where were you guys?
Didn't bother did ya?
Kay wrote on Jul 7, 2009 5:38 PM:
So unless Oregon workers were willing to work for $10 per day like the Mexicans were, Weyerhauser said bye bye.
The corporations left because they didn't want to pay your wages. Plain and simple. Simple is still believing the enviros are the reason. The corporations sold your job down the river, NOT constraints. You are fools to believe them. They laugh all the way to the board meetings.
Grow up and stop whining. Get a job.
The corporations left because they didn't want to pay your wages. Plain and simple. Simple is still believing the enviros are the reason. The corporations sold your job down the river, NOT constraints. You are fools to believe them. They laugh all the way to the board meetings.
Grow up and stop whining. Get a job.
m00npenny wrote on Jul 7, 2009 4:44 PM:
And let me guess, ooo Educated One, you do not have a "real" job, your sitting on some sort of government subsidy because of your apparent "whack job" mentality.
The trees will be cut down so go give em a kiss goodbye. The Plover will be run over by a quad and the Spotted Owl will still be hunted by their own kind. Dont you just love the way things work out. This is a working community, dont like it? leave.
The trees will be cut down so go give em a kiss goodbye. The Plover will be run over by a quad and the Spotted Owl will still be hunted by their own kind. Dont you just love the way things work out. This is a working community, dont like it? leave.
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:35 PM:
The loss of timber income is not the reason schools don't have money, its because lawmakers, guided by the timber industry, tied schools and logging together for the sake of sustaining profit for corparations and public opinion for the timber industry, meanwile the rich pay less and less taxes. Schools should not be dependant on wiping out God's ecosystems. Where were you guys when they decided to cut taxes on timber harvests? The logging industry has uneducated loggers so brainwashed they think that resources are unlimited and these conservationist are what is stopping the logging. They don't want you to blame the real culprit, the fact that resourses are limited. We can wipe out the last of the ancient forest then figure that out, or deal with the fact now and do something different than the past. Letting the logging industry have too much leeway is what has led to this job shortage. The corprate structure forces corporations to make a quick buck now and forget about the future, that is what has happend so far. Look for green jobs, toward the future and not he past. Get an education, not a logging job
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:31 PM:
This economic crisis is caused by people supporting the deregulate ideals put out by profit hungry corporations who care more about making fast money than supporting a sustainable America. So many uneducated are forced, through intense propaganda, to live in the past , when resourses were limitles and the population was less. The fact is that our resources are limited, so get used to it. The logging industry does not care about communities. Letting the logging industry have its way has produced this boom and bust economy, what put us where we are. The profit machine will get its stockholders the most money fast, then bail out on local communities and blame it on the environmentalists. Get an education not a logging job.
EducatedEconomist wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:29 PM:
As a nation we have decided to not entirely wipe out nature as God made it (ESA). Its the logging industry terrorists that have infiltrated our government and forced our lawmakes to not enforce the laws that America has made. They have weakend laws and bought public opinion through fake science and propaganda until the nation is forced to abandon its morals and ideals for the sake of corprate profit. And for what? A steady job, good luck with that. Do we enforce tresspass laws so that the corporations can break Federal laws? Enforce the Endangered Species Act as it was made. The founders of this Country rebelled against a government that would not consider their opinion. They risk what most of of can not to stand up for the opinion of most educated Americans. In that way these protesters are Heros and not terrorists.
Okay wrote on Jul 7, 2009 1:11 PM:
I care about the enviornment too but this is not the way to envoke real change. Give the loggers a break man, let them do their jobs. I think the police have much more important things to do.
kikilongbean wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:50 PM:
Timber is a renewable resource just like a crop of corn only it takes longer to grow the trees. Why can't these simple minded people see the real forest?
Yes, in years gone by, we did bulldoze them out of the way. People today are too soft and they want someone to take care of them instead of earning their way. I'd cover my face too if I were this uneducated.
Yes, in years gone by, we did bulldoze them out of the way. People today are too soft and they want someone to take care of them instead of earning their way. I'd cover my face too if I were this uneducated.
ononomous wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:41 PM:
These protestors are nothing but eco-terrorists themselves. They destroy things while trying to prove "their" point...ie: turning a pick-up truck over onto it's side...what about the fuel and oil that spills out of it? What about the damage done to the body of the truck. Fire up a TD30 and put them out of the place!
medfordgrl wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM:
Wanting to be "green" and all that jazz is great, but for some of us who grew up in that area, logging was a main source of income for our families. A lot of loggers have only done this and don't have other skills, and are scraping by to provide for their families.
You people need to move to Ashland if you want to be "green".
You people need to move to Ashland if you want to be "green".
WWJD wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 AM:
All of thes Earth First acitvist should be removed immediately by the police. Either by peaceful, or physical means. The loggers are just trying to do their jobs. As the past has shown, this is a very dangerous situation. I say get on your front loaders, big equiptment an roll on through. They will move. Activists have caused many a loggers death in the past. I say ROLL ON THROUGH! If they don't move, their choice.
The Brutal Truth wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM:
Earth First are terrorists. Period.
Notice how they hide their faces?
Start rolling the log trucks through. They'll move.
Notice how they hide their faces?
Start rolling the log trucks through. They'll move.
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