A Perplexed Employee wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:44 AM:
No, I am not "Good Times". I did not vote for "no confidence", but I did vote for the OSBA investigation, which will happen without internal orchestration.
I welcome the outcome of that investigation, and our great hope is that the truth will be revealed, and that justice will prevail -- whichever way it may fall.
So much for the armchair theorists.
Happy Employee wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:01 AM:
Just, TLM, Dave and Tony:
Group Hug!
TLM wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:28 AM:
AMEN HAPPY!!!!
Just another happy one wrote on Jul 23, 2008 6:24 AM:
I agree with Dave. Put up or shut up! Not only are these people in a mode of finding fault but in their very poor attempts to sound well versed they are also pretending they are more dedicated to our students and the direction of the college than Dr. Hansen is. If this is true they would have been meeting with and involving the community long before Dr. Hansen's arrival.
I do not think this issue exists because of poor communication on the part of Dr. Hansen. I think this happened because certain employees have poor listening skills and no ethics.
Dave wrote on Jul 22, 2008 2:40 PM:
Sounds like Good Times is one of those anonymous traitors trying to run a back-room revolution by laying out outrageous claim after claim and counting on the public's ignorance and gullibility.
I say put up or shut up. The "revolution" is over. Good Times just can't step back and be an adult about this.
Let's get out of the immature mode of fault finding (which is easy) and put our minds on decent track and help in positive ways.
Nit-picking is the immature's way of sounding well-versed, when they only do a tiny amount of isolated research in order to throw mud at decent folk. Enough already, for sure.
Give Hansen a raise.
Tony Capo wrote on Jul 21, 2008 1:52 PM:
If I were to hazard a guess... http://www.theworldforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=462
Here We Go Again wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:57 PM:
Dear Perplexed: Sounds like you might also be Good Times. Instead of starting rumors and gossip, maybe you should ask why David Keebler is not here. You might find the answer is not as sinister as you would have everyone believe.
A Perplexed Employee wrote on Jul 21, 2008 11:32 AM:
Latest Casualty: David Keebler, the much-anticipated and highly-touted presumptive hire for the VP of Administrative Services at SOCC informed President Hansen that he has changed his mind and will not accept that position.
This is the second time within the past year that, after numerous interviews, the search for a candidate to fill this VP position has failed.
Certainly makes a person wonder why.
Tony Capo wrote on Jul 21, 2008 5:34 AM:
GOOD TIMES wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:33 AM:
Tony - This doesn't have anything to do with slowing...
Then why didn’t you just start by explaining a budget process and “tax anticipation notes” or “grant anticipa-
tion notes” to everyone instead of trying to lay a slime trail with innuendo and start another baseless rumor. Stop the low-life tactics.
And just why does Harry Abel want to give College money to the City of Coos Bay?
Good Times wrote on Jul 19, 2008 8:33 AM:
Tony - This doesn't have anything to do with slowing the budget process down, this has to do with the way money was spent in this last fiscal year.
The budget needed to be redone. The budget for the new year looks better now because of that. It's not great, but it is better than what was originally turned in.
Tony Capo wrote on Jul 18, 2008 5:24 PM:
"GOOD TIMES wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:51 AM:
So is the community aware that the college is borrowing money..."
Oh my oh my! Why, why did Harry Abel slow the budget process down so long! Why, why? And why does he want to give College money to the City of Coos Bay!
Good Times wrote on Jul 18, 2008 11:51 AM:
So is the community aware that the college is borrowing money to make August payroll? Does that not concern anyone? Does it not concern anyone that right now the college is picking and choosing which bills to pay because of lack of funds?
Gee Whiz wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:23 PM:
Just because you say the Music Dept. is failing does not make is so. Just another hater acting as his/her opinion is fact. If you really had fact to fall on you would have used it by now.
If students are being driven away it is because of negative people like you who are digging but calling it nuts and bolts. Do our students a favor and go back to school. You have no idea what realism is.
we almost had a music department wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:53 PM:
I disagree. Rossi was promised the world to keep him here and begin new ventures in the department. When it came time to put muscle behind those changes, ie, fte and money, JH's promises did not have the backing. I don't think this is digging, I think it is a nuts-and-bolts example of what the problem is. I am not questioning her intentions, just her realism.
Ron wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:23 PM:
The World wrote: "In her three years at Southwestern, Hansen has spread roots far and wide, though her support on campus does not run as deep. The question is if her base of support is strong enough to withstand the recent storm of criticism".
Of course it is. Her supporters tend to be the more calm reasoned types who are more able to see through the backroom revolutionaries mentioned elsewhere here.
The gullible fools who fall for the posturing of the "revolution" usually cannot stay the course and will end up leaving the back-room losers high, dry, and exposed.
Dr. Hansen is nothing if not a patient professional who has been given a dirty job and is doing it well. Her supporters will not leave her and have far more influence in the end than shallow fault-finders.
Dr. Hansen stays - it is a forgone conclusion. Let's pin a medal on her and get back to things that actually need our attention rather than falling for the broken ideas of trouble-makers who grow more isolated every day.
Check your facts wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:27 AM:
Sorry, but Mike Rossi's demise was not Dr. Hansen's cause, it was SS's.
We are really digging now aren't we?
We almost had a music department wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:19 PM:
I don't know about all of the complaints on both sides, but I knew in detail what Mike Rossi was promised, the hard work he did and how the college (Dr. Hanson) recanted after all the hard work he did. It was a bunch of empty promises that wasted 2 years of Rossi's life that he cannot get back. In the end, it did more harm than good, because the music department's apparent failure has driven away even more music students.
Tony Capo wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:31 PM:
“DRFUGAWE wrote on Jul 13, 2008 2:22 PM:
Interesting discussion!...”
Good post, so is the non-truncated one: http://www.theworldforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=462
(continued on forum)
Too funny and sad wrote on Jul 13, 2008 9:15 PM:
Is this what our community is so involved with? It comes down to whether or not a Dr. is fired, or not liked at our little college ! Well I can think of more important things to write, or argue about, like gas prices, starving children, elderly, and even some low income families. What about Iraq, our troops being killed there. Obama, or McCain for President "really scarey" Food cost, and diseases. Come on this is a pathetic article, we as a nation, and community have more important things to bring to the attention of Coos County.
drfugawe wrote on Jul 13, 2008 2:22 PM:
Interesting discussion! I don't know Dr. Hansen - I've been retired and out of the local scene for awhile now - but I did know, and work with, her predecessor and his administration. It was no secret that the emphasis in those days was to run an elitist country club organization that had almost no regard for working with the community, and only little more for student welfare. And his key underlings loved him!
It's not surprising, therefore, that the college board should emphasize hiring a replacement who had the exact opposite strengths. And it's also not surprising that Dr. Hansen should find herself among a staff of some very unhappy members.
Often, a new exec will avoid a long drawn out period of organizational correction by "cleaning house". But in today's public protectionist environments, this is simply impossible - and the painful process moves forward. It's obvious that this is happening now.
If I were a member of the SWOC Board, I'd pay little/no attention to this external hub-bub, but instead, I'd attend to the expectations agreed to by Dr. Hansen and the Board - that's what's important!
Danielle wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:54 PM:
Alice, with that comment, I think you have proven where the real hostility lies.
Alice wrote on Jul 10, 2008 12:01 PM:
I feel bad for you because we to had our share of Judith supporters when she was here. Things are so much better now that even the most avid judith supporters realized they were "taken" by her. I hope and pray you get to learn that lesson in less than 8 years....
Alice D wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:27 AM:
Culture of fear? That is hardly what I am Doing! Might I suggest a rabies shot? I hope you people can get past all your hostilities...
Life may be a bit better after.
I sleep at night wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:55 PM:
Alice, It is very sad that you appear to be threatened by all of the good people who support Dr. Hansen. Maybe someday you will look into the mirror and understand what the words nasty and hateful really mean. In the meantime, please don’t inflict your ”culture of fear” onto me.
Danielle wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM:
People on the Judith side are nasty and hateful?? Obviously you haven't been the target of the anti-Judith mob.
Alice D wrote on Jul 8, 2008 7:48 PM:
What makes you people so comfortable in judging everything and everyone? Are your lives so perfect that you graciously spread your words of wisdom like crumbs for people to pick up. It seems to me that the Judith side is nasty and hatefull. I don't really care what happens at swocc but I hope it all goes away fast!
Annita B. wrote on Jul 7, 2008 5:37 PM:
Just the Facts says: "By the way I hope judging me for writing quickly on a Blackberry was satisifying."
So, writing "quickly on a Blackberry" is the noveau excuse?? If you can't do it right, doing it badly is still unacceptable. Poor grammar, bad spelling, and all on a Blackberry.... my, oh my, will wonders never cease? Or, rather, will the village idiot still continue to scream equal intellect?
DJ wrote on Jul 7, 2008 10:01 AM:
Hansen should get a raise! And the money to pay for that raise needs to come from that which would be "saved" by laying off useless trouble-making nay-sayers whose back-room revolution is finally getting exposed. Too bad those exposing it took so long to get their courage up. We need to get into the habit of quickly exposing lazy lying back stabbers. Dr. Hansen knows who the few trouble makers are - let HER be the one to lay 'em off!!!
John wrote on Jul 6, 2008 1:28 AM:
"Just the Facts," you are the same brand of lazy and unqualified educator that influenced my decision to drop out of college while attending SWOCC. Had I not finally ran into qualified educators in Washington, I would still be a product of your pathetic educational merits. Thank goodness people like you no longer have the power to influence my decisions about my future. Unfortunately, people like you do have the power to affect the lives of many young people in need of getting quality educations in Coos County Oregon.
My advice to you is, before you attack other people who have been put positions above you (whether they have degrees or not), ask yourself if you have equal or greater merit when it comes to performing the job at hand? To answer this question, I suggest that you re-read your post on this thread with an eye toward spotting spelling and grammatical errors.
Scratching my head wrote on Jul 4, 2008 8:46 AM:
I thought the managers were in charge of their own budgets. If cuts have to be made, they need to find where to cut from their budget. We may not like the outcome but it's just what needs to happen to get us through this financial crunch. This is just another excuse to blame Dr. Hansen because managers don't know how to do their jobs. None of the top managers or the last prez dealt with the incompetence issue in managmemt.
Speasl and others like him are unhappy because their well placed smooch didnt work with Dr. Hansen as it did with Kridelbaugh.
Get over yourselves!
One More Happy Employee wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 PM:
Unhappy Employee: In your post you say the 200+ employees who voted no confidence did so of their own mindset. Why are YOU speaking for them? Can they not think with their own minds, see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears? If they can I would assume they would also speak for themselves as intelligent people do and produce some fact. The managers spread gossip and some faculty joined in and finally the classified staff followed lead. I have heard the lies and I know the truth. No matter what your level of intelligence is, you simply cannot turn gossip into fact. If you are unhappy at the college, do the honorable thing and resign from your job.
Concerned Resident wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 PM:
President Hansen has to earn respect for her position through her honesty, fairness, and commitment. Just because she has the title does not automatically justify respect.
This controversy has broken the faith of many hard working student oriented employees working at SOCC. If they were to just close their eyes and pretend that everything is fine then what would they be teaching the students who attend SOCC?
The student's needs and education are still the number one concern with the employees that I know. I find their ability to stand up and demand some answers to be very courageous.
Critical Thinking Required wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 PM:
A couple of you make me laugh – Hansen is the one who hates strong women and men as they threaten her with knowledge, hard work, logic, and respect by their peers. The proof is in the fact that she has gotten rid of them. SO, what does that say about you??? I pay attention to the actions and not to the talk/whitewashing spin – I do not see leadership here. Your idea of a strong person is a bully who wields power indiscriminately.
It has been three years, Hansen owns this mess; when she came we were a strong, financially solid institution ready for even more growth and innovation for our students. SOCC had a state and national reputation as a leading rural community college. Now what is our reputation?
There are many problems that have not been made public but the budget process is public. Hansen ‘led’ us to a gutted instructional and student services budget and after employee outrage, was forced by the Board and Budget committee to put it all back. Is this what you call leadership?
Clyde wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:04 PM:
I have lived in this town for 70 years and some of you at SWOCC need to remember why this college exists. Not for out of town athletes! Four our local kids to get an affordable education! If you have a president you do not like, maybe it is because we finally have one who is doing the job! I wish I had took time out to get a degree but I was busy supportting my family and paying taxes to support this college. As a mill worker I did not always like the forman but I respected the position. What happened to work ethics in America?
UnHappy Employee wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:19 AM:
I for one can think with my own mind, can see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears. I don't need anyone to "convince" me, or "pursuade" me to join their ranks. The 200+ employees who voted no confidence did so of their own mindset. Someone might be able to convince a handful of people to vote with them, but not the majority of the employees. I work with very intelligent people, who love what they do and who are committed to the students and this community.
Athena wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:14 AM:
Just the facts,
You stated the facts? Were you in the room during these conversations, perhaps as a fly on the wall? Otherwise, what you heard was from someone else claiming injury at the hands of Dr. Hansen. In order to print the facts you actually have to know what facts are. With so many degrees, I would think you would know the difference. How do you know these women are “yes women”? Could it be they have a different opinion than you?
Why the sour grapes? Maybe you didn’t get the promotion you want?
It is obvious you are unhappy at SWOCC. Students deserve to be served by employees with a positive attitude because, like you, they are paying a lot of money for an education. Do the right thing and resign.
Dr. Hansen is the best President this campus has ever had. She involves the community, has strong ethical standards, and is not afraid to follow through with what is necessary to make this college a better place.
Another Happy Employee wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:10 AM:
Dear NSHE,
So guess you didn't read the entire email. The "party" is also to welcome your new boss. Guess you'll soon be dissin' her, too?
Not so happy Employee wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 AM:
So it is obvious judy has been rallying her troups. I want to make this very clear... I love to teach my students and I work long hours to make sure they get a great education! It is not about the money, I just love to do this work. In my opinion her ego and sense of self importance are summed up well in one act....
We were all emailed again this year to come celebrate with judy her birthday at her ice cream social. Does she use college money to throw herself a birthday party every year? How many people would come to it. I think it is a perfect example of a sad little person trying to be "important and popular". If it was a big deal to people the they would throw it for you! Maybe your blog friends can meet you for your birthday so we can keep teaching rather than stroke your ego???
Personally speaking I am busy teaching students and choose to prioritize that over your party. Go ahead and mark be down as one of those who didn't attend. This feeling is by no way a minority around here.
Just the Facts wrote on Jul 2, 2008 11:17 PM:
Well Athena,
I stated facts! That's all. If you don't like it take it to someone who makes decisions, not me. And just for the record I am the daughter of a single mom (Vietnam widow) and have multiple degrees that I earned and paid for by myself. If you really need to know I don't enjoy seeing "yes women" rise simply for regurgitating what is fed to them from above with no questions asked! By the way I hope judging me for writing quickly on a Blackberry was satisifying.
One more happy employee wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:42 PM:
WHAT WENT WRONG? Dr. Hansen walked into a mess left by the former president and his top managers. Cleaning up this mess did not make her popular with problematic employees but it does make her ethical. Some employees didn’t perform their jobs as required and conjured up the “culture of fear” as an excuse.
Complaints were made directly to three board members instead of using the procedures in place. These board members held secret illegal meetings. They also violated Dr. Hansen’s employment contract.
The problematic employees did not get their investigation so they encouraged all employee groups to join the vote of no confidence.
It is time to allow Dr. Hansen to hold employees accountable for their actions. Those who claimed a culture of fear are creating a culture of fear for anyone who does not agree with them.
Dr. Hansen is in a difficult position. Most would have left this community by now. We are lucky to have someone with her intelligence and ethics serving as our college president. Time to move forward!
Athena wrote on Jul 2, 2008 12:24 PM:
Just the facts: What degree do you have that qualifies you to work at the college? By reading your post I got the impression that you lack education. Regardless, your attitude about women makes you a liability to any employer.
Dr. Hansen is an asset to the College and it is time to move forward and focus on the students!
Another Happy Employee wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:04 AM:
Thank goodness that people are finally seeing the light. A few disgruntled, middle-managers who feel threatened by strong, visionary women are taking their last lashes out on campus and it's really obvious.
Too bad the faculty and classified got duped.
Dismayed wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:45 PM:
Things need to be hashed out - let's do what needs to be done in order to move beyond the current situation and once again make students the priority.
Not as familiar as some wthe situation... wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:40 PM:
SOCC is a great place and I just hope this is all resolved sooner, rather than later. It's sad that employees' concerns over management and their jobs sometimes appears to take precedence over the quality of the students' education.
The employees/community need to have these issues quieted, though. They need to hash things out and develop a solution to whatever they percieve to be the problem(s) because as soon as possible, everyone needs to once again make the students their priority.
embarrassed for Judith wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:54 PM:
I'm embarrassed for Judith. If she really cared about the college, she'd cut her losses and take a hint and excuse herself from a place where she's CLEARLY not wanted.
To Dr. Hansen wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:23 PM:
Do yourself a favor and leave this place. We don't even deserve you. The people around here and I mean the ones who run or try to run things (the Officials of every council, city, county, etc.) don't want someone smarter than them ( and that covers just about everyone) running anything around here. The same ole, same ole, people have been running things for so long and screwing up everything they touch, around here, that you just don't belong here. Go where you are appreciated. and kudos to Carol Oelke and the other one, I can't remember the name, that were on your side. the only two with real brains.
Joanne wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:14 PM:
Bravo to Ron and David. All those people with fancy degrees need to grow up and learn how to act like adults.
Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:13 AM:
It is difficult to operate in a position of leadership today because of the behavior of those who "would have chosen someone else". Just like the losers in a close election, they use their positions of "no responsibility" to create minority gridlock on the system and put leadership in a state of constant seige to prevent them from doing what they ran on and were elected to do. These treasonous loser minorities can call anyone anything at all and use free speech as their protector. But let someone under seige question their motives and they yell to high heaven. Vilification is their watchword for anyone not agreeing with their own minority agenda. These are the real scourge of a democracy - those who obey only those conventions of society that they personally agree with, and not one whit more. They kill decent behavior and meaningful debate. Yep, they are whiners all. "A community member" questions the qualifications of David to speak out but will probably not be able to take the same treatment. Yep, whiners...
Dean wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:15 PM:
It is time that the Board listen to the colleges employees. Not only do they see what is happening, they see the impact of Dr. Hansen's poor judgements!
The questions to be asked are: why have so many employees resigned, why all the secrets about the budget and admistrative decissions? What are you hiding Dr. Hansen???
moonpenny wrote on Jun 30, 2008 6:19 PM:
You, teachers and supporting staff of Southwestern need to focus on your one priority, the students.
You dont have to like Judith Hansen or her principles or decisions or even what she has for lunch. But she is
Southwestern Oregon Community College’s President. You will show her that respect. You will do your jobs to the best of your abilities. Anything less should cause you to resign you job, and admit you are not worthy of higher education. I think its shameful what you all did to her just before graduation 2008.
A community member wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:38 PM:
David I hope you have sat down and talk to some of those "whiners" you mention in your statement. If not, you cannot assume anything! Those staff people are your neighbors, community members and friends. Some grew up here, volunteer in our communities, raise their children, and are very dedicated to Southwestern. If you HAD talk to them you would find out what the issues are and why they are so very concerned about the leadership of this college.
No confidence votes by overwhelming amounts of staff (including faculty) is very disconcerning. People need to find out the facts (not just one side) before making such inflamatory statements about the staff. These people do not want to spend their days at work in a hostile and mismanaged work environment. Dr. Hansen needs to acknowledge more details of what she needs to change and make some ammends to those idividuals and programs she has negatively effected by her actions.
I am a community member and I know mmany people who work there. I respect them and know first hand how troubled they are. They just want to work in a positive supportive environment of teaching and learning.
Concerned resident wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:06 PM:
It was said that SOCC employees have more love for a paycheck than the love for higher education. I would have to argue that point. The employees I have met are all motivated by the success of each and every one of the students who lives they touch. They go above and beyond on a daily basis to find positive results to help the students overcome the obstacles that continually come up in their campus and personal lives. The employees are the backbone of the institution who keeps the college running with their hard work and dedication.
The “No-confidence” vote held by Faculty, Classified, and MASCC employees at SOCC showed clearly that the employees at SOCC have no confidence in President Hansen’s ability to manage their professional organization. The vote was clearly connected to President Hansen’s lack of professional behavior over the last three years.
If President Hansen has nothing to hide then let the investigation continue and find her innocent of all allegations. If she is found guilty let her gracefully decline another term at SOCC and let the healing begin with another president.
CURIOUS wrote on Jun 30, 2008 2:36 PM:
I'm curious where "JUST THE FACTS" is getting their so called facts. What women are they speaking of that "On the positive side there are now plenty of women with no more than high school diplomas that sit in very high positions (one has been sitting in president. It sure shows that you don't need an education to suceed, just a well plassed smooch!" Who are you talking about? Also I think you meant to say succeed and placed, spell check is your friend.
David in CB wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:40 PM:
Students need to study and graduate. Teaching Staff needs to do their jobs and stop insisting on being more important than their easy academic jobs merit. The rest of the staff needs to buckle down and get their own jobs done. Then anyone could manage the place.
Hansen is well suited to the task of managing a professional orgaization, not this one in the Southwest of Oregon whose staff has become bloated, spoiled and stagnated and prone to gossip and complain where professionals would come together and think positive thoughts of their glasses which are partly full rather than SWOCC empty. Whiners!
None of these "confidence votes" have anything to do with professional behavior. The only real force these "votes" have is to ruin morale and bring shame on the student body. Enuf already!!!
Get back to work and do your own individual jobs. Just who did you think you were to criticize that which you could never qualify to do in the first place. Amateurs!
Sabrina wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:21 PM:
Dr. Hansen has my support, she had shown me personally it is about the student, and the entire community, not just the staff. When one chooses to work for higher education, one must have a love for that--not just a love for the paycheck. I am not speaking of the instructors at SOCC, they are fantastic because they have a love for the education. I'm speaking of the employees.
Resident wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:02 PM:
This story didn't tell us anything that we don't know from previous stories.
Just the facts wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:15 PM:
I know of at least two MASC employees that were told personally from her to never come to Tioga loosing any help from HR (for what it would do), two were told to simply get out for her personal reasons. At least three have been terminated while on medical leave. more that have had there job "restructured" where they were no longer qualified for the position.
On the positive side there are now plenty of women with no more than high school diplomas that sit in very high positions (one has been sitting in president. It sure shows that you don't need an education to suceed, just a well plassed smooch! That is my honest opinion of what SWOCC offers and it could be so much more with the correct person at the top!
Angry Student wrote on Jun 30, 2008 11:35 AM:
Finally people see through that snake in the grass
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